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At the Fourth Ammonia Fuel Conference in San Francisco, California,  Greg Vezina of Hydrofuel Inc. gave a presentation (October 16, 2007). You can read a transcript in HTML here (easier to read on screen) or PDF (better for printing) formats.


Greg Vezina of Hydrofuel Inc. presented at the Fourth Annual

Ammonia Fuel Conference in San Francisco, California, on
Oct. 16, 2007. The following is a transcript of the presentation:

HOST: Well fasten your seatbelts and put your tray tables up
because Greg Vezina is going to make an interesting talk for
us. Greg has been working in the ammonia fuel field for 25
years in Canada, a quiet secret in the United States, but he
brought some interesting news down to us. He’s going to talk
to us and take us into lunch.

What we’re trying to load is a clip that was on the Canadian
Broadcasting Corporation last November showing Greg in a
1981 Chevy Impala crashing into Princess Diana’s… laughter
from crowd.

VEZINA: That’s right, crashing into the wall – crashing into
the government of Canada, exactly.

HOST: Can you start without the clip?

VEZINA: Yeah, if we can get it to run we’ll go. Kathy brings
him something Thank you Kathy.

VEZINA (CONT’D): Hi everybody. The first thing I would like
to say is I would like to thank John Holbrook and Norm Olson
for making it possible for me and all the rest of us to start
this great and epic battle again.

The first speech I ever gave on ammonia fuel was the first
speech I ever gave in my life, and it was at the Recreational
Vehicles Manufactures Association convention in 1981. The
RV people thought it was quite cool that ammonia worked
and that we could run some RVs on it. And I can assure you
of absolutely one thing – that today the floor show will be
worth the price of admission ladies and gentlemen.

VEZINA (CONT’D): This all started when I was sitting in a
garage and read an article about ammonia fuel and some
work that had been done by Professor Jeff Kerr and some
other people, and I realized that ammonia was the cheap and
easy way to get to hydrogen. But I’d like to pay a brief tribute
to Frodo, the Frodo’s of ammonia. Because many, many of
the people that have ever lived, that have ever made a
vehicle or engine run on ammonia fuel, are alive today –
starting with Vito Agosta, Professor Jeff Kerr from the
University of Tennessee, the work that we did in
Saskatchewan and Canada in 1981 to 84’, of Ted Hollinger of
HEC, Shawn Grannell and his colleagues from the University
of Michigan, and the thing that gives us great pleasure and
great promise is the fact that we get a chance to try it twice.
And it isn’t very often when you try something and don’t have
the success that you sought that you get to try it twice.

Geez, I’d really like to play that video.

VEZINA (CONT’D): So on the 25th anniversary of us being
on Parliament Hill in Canada (we were on Parliament Hill with
our ammonia car), the day that Canada signed its
constitution. We had a press conference scheduled the night
before and nobody showed up. And the Governor General of
Canada his Excellency the Right Honorable Edward Schreyer
who was formerly the Premier of Manitoba and tried to
develop hydrogen as a fuel in his province in the mid-
seventies, sent the Royal Canadian Mounted Police out to
Parliament with an invitation from her Majesty’s loyal
representative to be on the Hill the next morning at 11:00
o’clock. Most members of Cabinet and most members of
Parliament – including the Honorable Simon deJong who’s
sitting here in this room and has helped us for a quarter of a
century – showed up.

Unfortunately for the world Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau
walked down the front steps of Parliament, looked at us,
snubbed the Governor General, and went over to talk about
how on the night of the long knives he had signed a
constitution while the Premier of Quebec was asleep the night
before. Pierre Trudeau was asleep, in my opinion, for the rest
of his life. He ended up ending his career starting a worldwide
peace mission and if we can ever get this clip to play I can
actually make this segway really good but we’ll see.

Laughs Murphy’s Law.

They decide to just play the clip from the computer.
VEZINA (CONT’D): If you want to see this if you haven’t
seen it – probably most of you have anyways – but it’s
available at my personal website It’s not
available on the corporate website because the license to use
it is for educational purposes, which means I suppose I’m not
allowed to make any money with it, which is the way its been
for the last twenty-five years so why should it be any
different? Nothing changes.

They fiddle with the computer while Greg does a charming
little dance onstage. They get everything working and hold
the microphone up to the computer.

ANCHOR: 25 years later, why hasn’t this Canadian’s clean,
green, hydrogen fuel machine taken over the roads?

Drive a hybrid? Think you’re pretty smart? Well your vehicle
may be fuel efficient but as far as ahead of the curve? Sorry,
that prize goes to Greg Vezina. Twenty-five years ago he
found fame by getting his Chevy Impala to run on something
he called "hydro-fuel". So what happened to Vezina and his
Chevy? In tonight’s checking in Piya Chattopadhyay finds out.

REPORTER: Greg Vezina fancies himself a man ahead of the
times, and he was, twenty-five years ago. He retrofitted his
1981 Chevy Impala into a car for the future, fueled by what
Vezina named "hydrofuel" – essentially ammonia which is a
mix of hydrogen with a little nitrogen. The exhaust was clean
and it was cheaper to run his car on hydrofuel than on

The Energy Minister of the day took it for a spin, he said he
liked it, so did the Governor General. All in all Vezina thought
he had a winner.

VEZINA: Within five years, assuming the government
attitude towards the technology was proper, it would be
available to the consumers.

REPORTER: Fast-forward to today.

VEZINA: Here’s the fuel of the future. Twenty-five years of
rust on it.

REPORTER: Vezina’s vehicle sits idle. It still starts and
Vezina still believes it’s the cure for the world’s energy woes.
But he says shortly after his appearance on Parliament Hill
back in 81’ interest in his idea all but disappeared. Vezina
speculates it’s because the government owned Petro-Canada
so there wasn’t much political will to develop alternative

VEZINA: What do I say? You know you can be right, but you
gotta wait for history. And that’s basically what happened to
us, we were right but history wasn’t ready, the world wasn’t

REPORTER: Today nearly every major car maker is working
on alternative fuel technologies, predicting consumers will be
driving vehicles entirely powered by those technologies as
early as six years from now. But many analysts say it will be
many more years, perhaps as many as thirty, before
hydrogen run cars will be clogging our highways because the
technology is still so expensive.

EXPERT: There’s not enough money to support all of this
development that’s required and thus there is a viable role for
government to come in and support some of these initiatives
to try to kick start them to keep them going.

REPORTER: As for Greg Vezina, he’s thinking of once again
kick starting his project. Twenty-five years on he says the
dream is still alive and it may be time to go back to the future
– again. CBC News Toronto.

VEZINA: Alright so there we go. So we came about as close
as you can get to actually accomplishing something and then
reality stepped in. And the reality of the situation is that
politicians don’t do what’s right, they do what’s expedient and
that’s just the way it is.

So what happened to Greg Vezina? Well I decided to go start
the Green Party of Canada. And the guy that was on the
National News three weeks before couldn’t even get on local
cable 10 because the broadcasters are in on it with the
politicians. So we prosecuted the broadcasters all the way to
the Supreme Court of Canada for not letting us on TV and ten
years later lost our case on a technicality. But in the
meantime my wife Kathy and I, we were very successful in
business and we had enough money to produce two Leaders’
debates that ran for two hours in prime time in two elections
- because the only thing the broadcasters care about more
than their deals with politicians is money. And they like

And then we wrote a book about proportional representation
and electoral reform in Canada that was sponsored by Frank
Stronach, the chairman of Magna International, probably one
of the largest auto parts companies in the world. That was in
93’ and we managed ten years later to convince the present
Premier of Ontario, Dalton McGuinty, the then opposition
leader, to have a referendum (the first referendum in Ontario
in almost one hundred years) on electoral reform. And that
election was held on October 10th and the Green Party didn’t
win a single seat and the Liberals got a great, big, fat
majority on 40% of the vote, the referendum failed.

But that doesn’t matter because the only reason we did all
that was so that we could talk about ammonia, and thanks to
John and Norm we’re here anyway! So let’s take a minute
and talk about the realities.

VEZINA (CONT’D): In 1981 we did this business plan, and I
love when people ask me for numbers because this is the
most favorite part of my job - is the pages and pages and
pages of numbers. And what we propose to do is build a 1000
metric ton a day, 300 megawatt electrolytic hydrogen
ammonia plant using the vast amounts of hydroelectric power
which were surplus in Ontario back then. The plant
completely paid for itself in five years, made 100 million
dollars a year after that, and provided enough fuel for half
the fleet vehicles in cities of Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal.

Had our government, instead of former Prime Minister Brian
Mulroney giving 28 billion dollars in taxpayer’s subsidies to
the oil industry and the Liberal governments in-between. And
our present Prime Minister continues the wonderful practice of
using taxpayer’s money to subsidize industry to kill their
children. The science is clear that 40% of all children born
now will develop asthma. The direct relationship between the
health consequences and hydrocarbon fuels are very clear.

The economic consequences of importing energy are well
known to everybody, and although the environmental result
of the Brazilian experiment to go to alcohol fuels is somewhat
dubious. The fact of the matter is that you can spend ten
times as much on domestic energy as you do on imported
energy and you’re better off because the money and the jobs
stay in your own economy and someone else doesn’t buy
your country for five cents on the dollar – something that
both Canada and the United States have experienced.

VEZINA (CONT’D): And so we did a business plan because
politicians like you to bring them lots of business plans, and
they didn’t want to fund the real answer so they said, "Well
why don’t you do another business plan on a dog and pony
show?" And so we did another business plan on how to
convert 100 fleet vehicles to do a fleet demonstration.

And the Minister of Energy and the Minister of the
Environment were on the news telling everybody how,
assuming we could make it on a competitive basis with oil,
that was the kind of thing that they would encourage and
support. And their departments were working very closely
with us and this project would come on-stream in the very
near future. And after three-and-a-half years of negotiations
the government of Canada did one very, very, very important

Fortunately I’m the only person alive that knows about it
besides the people that took the cheque for the report. They
hired a company called Chemetics International which was a
division of CIL, and Chemetics International took our secret
business plan, which we have never given them and we had
non-disclosures and all kinds of papers that no one could give
it to anybody. And they obtained it and they did a report on
ammonia as a vehicle fuel. And this report was published in
April of 1984.

It’s very important that you understand the conclusions. It’s
absolutely wonderful to be here today because everything
that they recommended be done was done by somebody else
for some other fuel, except for some of the few things that
we did, and history made it happen anyway. But I just want
to take a couple of seconds and read a couple of pages of
this. And I normally don’t give speeches with notes or
anything else because of the first speech I gave in my life,
but here it goes.

Reading from
VEZINA (CONT’D): Conclusions and recommendations. This
report started from a rather negative pre-conceived feeling as
to the potentials of ammonia as a vehicle fuel.

Sidebar – it was an accident they got someone to write the
report that thought it wouldn’t work in the first place.

The study has indicated a very real potential from a pure
technical point of view on some positive features for safety
and environmental concerns. If the economics of capital cost
continue to improve and the high cost and scarcity of
hydrocarbon fuels become more acute, ammonia will become
a viable option either as a hydrogen carrier fuel or possibly as
a direct combustion fuel.

It is conceivable that conditions relating to hydrogen fuels
may already exist locally in remote areas or in developing
countries. There could be available renewable resources to
generate electricity and hence ammonia.

The following list is a generalized summary of the conclusions
that have been formed.

1. There are no technical or practical engineering
problems that are not very logically solvable for the
general usage of ammonia as an I.C.E. fuel.

2. The safety and acceptance of ammonia as an I.C.E.
fuel should not be difficult to achieve.

3. There are no known ecological or environmental
problems with ammonia as an I.C.E. fuel and in fact
indications are that significant improvements could be
achieved over hydrocarbon fuels.

4. The replacement of hydrocarbon by electricity is the
energy source and raw material for ammonia fuelled
I.C.E.s is technically feasible.

5. There will have to be major development in
manufacture of I.C.E. specific to ammonia for the fuel
to be effective.

6. There will have to be major change in the present cost
structure for ammonia to become a viable commercial
option to present hydrocarbon based fuel systems.

Reading from
VEZINA (CONT’D): I didn’t agree entirely with all their
conclusions and I believe that there was certainly some bias’,
but the bottom line was that they said it worked. Now here’s
the important part, the recommendations.

Reading from Report As the concerns for hydrocarbon
conservational and environmental damage cause are on the
increase, all viable options must be looked at in depth. The
alternatives are many and varied and the ramifications are
astronomical. It follows then that a knowledgeable planned
evolution to the new and probably numerous options must be
set up.

In the case of anhydrous ammonia some of the more
important recommendations for further work would be:

_ The study of the total effect and advantages of
ammonia as a fuel for the reduction of ecological
damage caused by hydrocarbon fuel combustion.
_ The development of an I.C.E. specifically optimized for
direct ammonia combustion without chemical additives.
_ The continued study of the effects to human health in
the long-term recovery from serious exposure to
_ A well-conceived and carefully documented
experimental installation of ammonia fuel I.C.E.’s in
specific applications.
_ The utilization of ammonia fueled I.C.E.’s based on
ammonia dissociation should be studied in depth. This
could affect the emphasis on recommendations in
number 2 and 4. And the potential for small-scale
production of ammonia in areas of very cheap
electricity should be investigated to establish whether
ammonia could be cost competitive with existing fuels
in the near future.

VEZINA (CONT’D): And what did the government of Canada
do with this report? The Government of Canada three weeks
later wrote me a letter saying it was the policy of the
Government of Canada not to fund or develop any non-
hydrocarbon alternative fuels, and our new Prime Minister’s
first order of business, the late great Brian Mulroney (not late
yet but that’s coming) was to kill the national energy program
and raise the Canadian price to world price to give almost 30
billion dollars of taxpayer’s money, deficit financed, borrowed
money to the oil industry and to kill the renewable, solar,
wind, and hydrogen programs at the national research council
of Canada. I want to say thank you to Brian Taylor, the head
of the energy division of the NRC because he got the budget
to fund the Chemetics report.

I’ve contacted the NRC and they no longer have this report, it
has been lost. I asked a Member of Parliament to search the
Library of Parliament because every document that’s paid for
by the Government of Canada is supposed to be in the
Library of Parliament, some reason they can’t find it.

We approached the government of Canada again last year
and said, "Would you investigate the use of ammonia as an
internal combustion engine fuel?" They said, "We actually are
looking at it for fuel cells, however until we implement our
new funding programs to give billions of dollars of taxpayers
money to ethanol, methanol, and other hydrocarbon
alternatives we will not be able to do an evaluation."

You can be sure that Canada will be absolutely the first
country that our Corporation will blow all our resources on in
developing this technology.

Now I feel better, ok boys and girls? Laughter.

VEZINA (CONT’D):Â Now let’s talk about the exciting news
and what’s going on.

We filed twenty provisional patent applications in United
States on Friday, and the twenty applications cover
everything from retrofit internal combustions engines to duel
fuel gasoline, duel fuel ammonia, to tri-fuel, to multi-fuel, to
interchangeable multi-fuel compatibility systems and
hardware, software, to electronic new ECU control units
where we own the software, and software for fuel mapping
for multi-level fuel combustion maps so you can actually run
any fuel and every fuel through our system.

VEZINA (CONT’D): Ladies and gentleman, I’d like to take a
second and unveil for you our prototype system which has
been built by Icom Italia. This product is built for ammonia
specifically and this product will be available for retail use
everywhere except Canada early in the new year. Laugher

Our approach to alternative energy has been to build
something that works, to build something that we can
demonstrate, and to build something that can be very quickly
commercialized. Because the bottom line is, if you can’t get
into business and if you can’t prove your economic case
you’ve got to rely on government grants and private
investment. I was told that I could not swear up here, but I
ain’t applying for no fracken’ government grants.

Explains prototype system So this is a Toroidal tank, which is
a new donut tank design that is designed for ammonia. Of
course it will have to be white according to the standards.
And this is the fuel rails and all the rest of the hardware and
the software.

This system will retail for $6,000 American with the Toroidal
tank and about $8,000 with a larger cylindrical tank. This
system is a gasoline, ammonia duel-fuel. The system runs on
gasoline for the first fifteen seconds in order to purge the fuel
rails, it is important to use a little bit of gasoline so that the
gasoline in your tank doesn’t go stale.

Otherwise once you start the engine, after fifteen seconds the
thing runs on 100% ammonia with no additives and no
accelerant. The reason we can do this is because the science
of ammonia, although it is very well known, there are very
few people that have actually done it.

VEZINA (CONT’D): And I’d like to tell you a story about the
engineer who went to the factory and they built this
wonderful machine, and it was making them all kinds of
money and it broke. And they couldn’t get the inventor to fix
it because he’d passed on, so they hired this engineer. They
said, "Please come and fix our wonderful system!"

The engineer went in and he looked at it for awhile and he
asked somebody for a hammer and he smacked the machine
and it started up, it ran and ran and ran. And he sent them a
bill, a rather big bill, and the bean counters got at it and they
said, "We want an itemized bill. We want to know what you
want a million dollars for."

And he sent them an itemized bill back: $1.00 for smacking it
with a hammer and $999,999.00 for knowing where to smack

Ladies and gentleman, we know where to smack it! The
secret to ammonia is in the fuel to air mixtures, the tighter
you can get the fuel to air mixtures, the better you can
control the spark, the easier it is to use. Gasoline ammonia
duel fuel systems are the easiest, first in the game. We’re
completing a manufacturing agreement with Icom North
America and Icom Italia who builds the Roush Engineering
dedicated propane powered fuel system for the F-150 Pickup
Truck, for Ford, that you can buy now, but it costs 10,000

And I expect at some point, someday, some automobile
manufacturer may be interested in buying exactly the same
components that they’re buying now from exactly the same
company for a new fuel, the only difference is it will have this
little tag on it (Hydrofuel logo) and we’ll get paid.

VEZINA (CONT’D): So let’s talk about diesel because diesel
ammonia is a different challenge as you’ve seen from the
presentations here and there are a myriad of options and
technologies that can be used.

We will be unveiling our diesel ammonia duel fuel system, it
wasn’t ready here but we’ll be unveiling it shortly. If you
remember and when my lawyers are
finished in about six weeks hydrofuel dot anything, anywhere
on the planet, you’ll be able to find us because we’ve had the
trademark for hydrofuel since 1984, and according to the
internet rules first out gets the word. And although there are
cyber squatters all over the world who believe in free
enterprise – like I’ll pay them $100,000 for a domain – the
rules are the good guys win in the end. So if you remember
the word hydrofuel you’ll be able to find us.

VEZINA (CONT’D): The next system we’ll put out will be an
ammonia diesel duel fuel system and it will not be
compression ignition it will be spark because it just makes it
so much easier.

We are in final negotiations with the largest manufacturer in
the world, converting diesel to spark for use with compressed
natural gas and we will be making that announcement in a
couple of weeks, building our prototype and releasing our
prototype early in the new year. That system runs on
between 5% and 30% diesel depending on load.

VEZINA (CONT’D): One of the biggest problems in using
ammonia fuel and one of the reasons that you need, in most
applications, a combustion promoter is vaporization because
you need heat to vaporize ammonia. There’s some
differences, this system is a liquid injection as oppose to
vapor, there is high pressure and low pressure, so we have
filed a provisional patent for an electric vaporizer so that
when you turn the key you use the power of the battery to
vaporize ammonia you don’t have to wait for heat and
vaporization from water from the cooling system.

VEZINA (CONT’D): I’m just going to take a second and give
you a list of the twenty provisional patens that we’ve filed,
and if you ask me any technical questions I’m going to tell
you to go away until the issue of the patents is finished
because although this is a presentation this isn’t a fishing

- Compression ignition to ammonia spark ignition engine
- Ammonia fumigation system for compression ignition
- Ammonia liquid ingestion system for compression
ignition engines
- Ammonia vapor ignition system for compression
ignition engines
- Ammonia LPG fumigation system for compression
ignition engines
- Ammonia LPG liquid injection for compression ignition
- Ammonia LPG vapor injection systems
- Ammonia high pressure vapor fuel injection
- Ammonia liquid injection for SI
- Ammonia low pressure vapor carbonation system
- Ammonia low pressure vapor fuel for spark
- Tri-fuel high pressure vapor fuel
- Tri-fuel liquid
- Tri-fuel low pressure
- Tri-fuel low pressure for SI
- Electrical LPG vaporizers
- Electrical ammonia vaporizer
- Electrical ammonia LPG vaporizer

To man offside I only got five minutes left, but whatever. You
can throw me off the stage, it’s happened before.

VEZINA (CONT’D): To audience And now the fun part.

The ammonia systems that we will put out will be compatible
for both propane and ammonia and they will have a tri-fuel
map so that whether you’re running on diesel ammonia or
gasoline ammonia when you run out of ammonia you’ll be
able to fill the tank with propane and use propane as a fuel
on our retail system.

So that’s all I got to say about ammonia as an automotive
fuel, I have a few more words to talk about ammonia as a
vehicle to grid system.

VEZINA (CONT’D): We have a press release that we’ll pass
out when I’ve finished speaking. We’ve filed our patent on a
vehicle to grid application. We’ve got a generator in the
system and hardware that bolts onto virtually any
transmission, any vehicle that comes with the transmission,
PTO access panel, most manual transmissions have two – one
on each side, most automatics have one, although my press
release says it works for green fuels it works for any fuel. So
you’ll be able to use existing vehicles with our technology to
make between fifteen and fifty kilowatts of power parked
anywhere, anytime. This product is being manufactured and
will be available as well for sale next year.

So we solve some problems with distributed power
generation. You can use ammonia to do it, you can use
diesel, and you can use whatever you want. But the fact of
the matter is that the maintenance costs for the grids, the
distribution losses for long-range transportation of power and
the build cost for new grids are many times more costly then
what it costs to build the power when you need it. And our
concept is ultimately to have the world use liquid electricity –
which is ammonia – made from green sources and made from
brown sources turned green, which is our final patent, so that
you can store off peak power and you can put it on the grid
as peak power. And finally our hybrid design will allow you to
take all of the engine’s power and use ammonia to generate
100 to 150 kilowatts of electricity out of a vehicle and make
electricity and ammonia the energy currency that they are.

VEZINA (CONT’D): Now let’s talk about greenhouse gas. All
of us are going to remember the Cat in the Hat, Dr. Seuss.
And the kid was in his room and the room was all messed up
and in came the Cat in the Hat with this machine. And he had
about five machines connected and one machine swept the
floor and one machine mopped the table and one machine did
the dishes and one machine picked up the toys.

Well ammonia is the Cat in the Hat fuel because if you put a
number of chemical processes and plants together you can do
things with ammonia that you can’t do anywhere else. The
secret to what we’ve done is we’ve filed a provisional patent
on a carbon capture technology and this is a technology that
uses an old technology from the steel industry, a calciner for
a low-temperature boil in a closed loop cycle and it allows you
to boil the moisture and the oxygen all off of biomass and of
fairly clean garbage.

The work that we saw yesterday from Geraldine Botte, we’ve
been studying that work for a long time, and we’ve included
in our provisional patent a plant process that used solid
waste, municipal waste and the possibility of farm and human
waste and I guess we might have to talk to Geraldine about
doing something there, but here’s how it works.

You take a ton of garbage, you and up with 1/3 of a ton of
carbon. You end up with some gasses, you have to clean the
gasses, you end up with lots of waste heat.

You have an ammonia synthesis plant. You use some of the
waste steam for your synthesis process, you use the oxygen
in the electrical generating plan and you burn ammonia in a
retrofitted gas turbine high efficiency GE gas turbine, there’s
about 42%. When you burn ammonia and oxygen you’re
getting a huge increase in efficiency and power output.

And there’s a couple of other interesting things we do with
waste material, from one plan that feeds another plant and in
the end of the day the Cat in the Hat machine takes all of the
CO2 out of the synergy plant, whether the feed stock is coal
or natural gas it all goes back into the calciner and it builds
mountains of carbon. We propose that the carbon will be used
for carbon fiber, for building carbon bricks, and we don’t think
very many municipal politicians will be able to vote to give
their garbage to waste companies to bury it and strip off the
cream methane and leave it there for 10,000 years because
we propose to give that back to the municipalities for free for
building material for low-income housing and we propose to
ask former President Jimmy Carter to put the labor together
with Habitat for Humanity so that we can house our people.

VEZINA (CONT’D): There’s the dream ladies and

In the immortal words of Gene Roddenberry, "We are about
to boldly go where no one has gone before." Live long and


HOST: Well food is out there waiting but I’m sure there are
probably a couple burning questions for Greg, so who wants
to be first?

QUESTION 1: What about emissions?

VEZINA: Where?

QUESTION 1: Tailpipe emissions.

VEZINA: This was well published in the Chemetics stuff.
There’s virtually no CO2 emissions from ammonia. There’s a
little bit of emissions on the gasoline, but they are what they
are. The NOx admissions are projected to be about 25% of
existing emissions and that’s not with the new reducing

You must remember that the three way catalyst beds, the
contaminates and effluents from one contaminate the beds
from the others and it makes the catalysts very expensive.
We’ll probably use a non-selective reducing catalyst, a single
catalyst and be able to take those emissions down even
further. But I can meet 2020 California emissions today.
Unfortunately I’m not waiting two years to sell in California,
I’m going to sell in states like Washington where these guys
have got bills passed, where they recognize ammonia is a

QUESTION 2: If British Petroleum gets all of your company
and holds all of your patents for the next twenty years, what
good are these patents going to do anyone in this room?

VEZINA: Well I have a fantastic answer for that and thank
you very much because it’s a great question. The coal
industry is under siege. The only guys that are meaner than
the ammonia guys are the coal guys. The ammonia business
was owned by a whole bunch of companies and was very
competitive 25 years ago, now it’s owned by very few
companies and it’s not very competitive. But the coal industry
is looking for a life and our technology will allow them to turn
coal or oil or natural gas into green ammonia and capture all
of the CO2. So after I leave here I’m going to sell it all to the
coal guys and let the Arabs fight with the American coal

I can tell you one thing. When the average American and
Canadian citizen finds out that we have the technology and
we’ve had the technology for a quarter of a century or longer
to do this, and that this is not about energy and this is not
about the environment and this is not about economics – this
is about freedom. This is about you don’t have to go to war
with anybody anymore because you don’t have to fight with
them, because you don’t have to leave where you are to go
to the land of the free because you can use your own
indigenous resources to create your own energy and your
own economics and your own job and your own future.

This is about liberty and that’s what motivates me. And
you’re not going to stop freedom. They might be able to stall
it but they’re not going to stop this. There is no Senator that
will be able to get elected and no Congressman who wants to
subsidize oil and send their kids to Iraq when by just purely
not subsidizing oil we can pay for this.

You must understand that the government subsidies alone to
ethanol in the United States over the next five years would
convert every vehicle in this country to ammonia fuel. It’s
astounding how much money we give away to the wrong
people. I don’t want any government grants, I don’t want any
subsidies and I don’t want a carbon tax – I want an
environment tax! I don’t want to target just carbon, I want to
target waste, I want to target all of it, and then I want free
enterprise to reign free. Because if you can buy an ammonia
fuel system for $8,000.00 and fuel at 50 cents a liter and the
jobs are in your own economy, or you can buy gasoline at
$2.00 a liter with $1.00 a liter environment tax, what one are
you going to buy? I don’t have to spend a cent on advertising
or public relations, I just have to use common sense.

Did I answer your question?

QUESTION 2: Well no.

VEZINA: Well then ask it again!

QUESTION 2: If British Petroleum takes over all your patents
by taking over your company and buries them, what good will
any of your patents do anyone in this room?

VEZINA: They got to get me to sign it and get an agreement
to sell it.

QUESTION 2: Well that’s not hard.

VEZINA: It isn’t eh? You obviously don’t know me very well.
You should Wiki Greg Vezina, I sue TV networks and I sue oil
companies and I sued the Government of Canada using the
constitution to challenge all government subsidies to oil, and
what the government did, on the Federal Courthouse steps,
was cancelled the National Energy Program.

But let me tell you, there’s more. There are environmentalists
and private companies that are combining together, they’re
going to bring a NAFTA claim against the United States and
there are American companies that are going to use NAFTA –
God bless Ronald Reagan – because NAFTA works.

So they’re not going to stop this, this is going to happen, and
we won the softwood lumber case against the Americans. We
didn’t get the whole 5 billion we asked them for - we got 4
and President Bush kept a billion for the election and
Republican districts, but the bottom line is that you don’t
tariffs our lumber anymore and the NAFTA dispute resolution
process takes six months, there’s a decision, penalties are
imposed. And the Methanex and the Ethyl Corp. cases that
have been done by NAFTA were won on the environmental
question. It was thought that NAFTA would allow you to
threaten to feed rat poison to kids and get paid for not doing
it, it isn’t how it works.

So the end of the day if you can put the environmentalists
together with the green industries with the brown industries
because now we got a way to make them green, the coal
guys aren’t going to want you subsidizing oil. There it is.

HOST: Did you ever wonder that precise moment when you
lost control?

VEZINA: Right now.

Vezina removes his hair tie, messes his hair. Audience Claps
and disperses. Gary talks to Vezina 1 on 1.

GARY: You’re the man.

VEZINA: That you Gary. We’re going to have some fun.

GARY: You bet.

VEZINA: Yeah we’re going to really have some fun.

GARY: I know you will and I know you can. You know it takes
sometimes a spirited person like yourself who’s got a brain
and a vision to kind of crack everyone else loose and I think
you’re doing it. We’re working on the safety side of this thing

VEZINA: Yeah I know you guys are and safety is my big
gorilla, big brown gorilla. I’m scared. We were going to bring
a car here and my lawyers and my insurance agencies
advised me, "Vez you waited 25 years and if you take that
car there and you have an accident or a spill you’re going to
destroy the whole thing." So we didn’t do it.

GERRY: Darn it.


Greg Vezina